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09:44:50 <Ikani> hey Kitashi 
09:55:14 <Ikani> wait
09:55:54 <catalepsy> Kitashi: Hi!
09:56:01 <Mowsey> HOLA!
09:57:51 <catalepsy> good morning
09:58:09 <weykent> grood morbing
09:58:16 <Mowsey> Hello normally-quiet-channel
09:58:37 <weykent> haha
09:58:39 <weykent> i'm actually around now so
09:58:40 <weykent> hi
09:59:10 <catalepsy> i'm somewhat around
09:59:22 <Mowsey> I'm always around!
09:59:28 <Mowsey> Except those 3 hours a day I pretend to slp
09:59:30 <Mowsey> sleep
10:01:12 <Ikani> slp is accurate
10:01:48 <catalepsy> i got an extra couple hours of slp
10:01:53 <catalepsy> called in sick to work
10:03:16 <weykent> lucky
10:03:48 <catalepsy> i should've done that yesterday, but
10:04:42 <catalepsy> Kitashi: so what's it like working with yak
10:05:08 <weykent> hahaha
10:05:25 <weykent> more importantly, how the fuck did _you_ actually get to touch code
10:05:31 <weykent> i nagged him so much
14:48:06 <Kitashi> Delayed response because I left for class: Hi everyone!
14:48:14 <Kitashi> catalepsy: There was no working. Only waiting.
14:48:38 <catalepsy> i see
14:48:52 <weykent> so wait did you get to see/touch the code at all??
14:48:58 <Kitashi> weykent: Honestly, I nagged Dragoneer instead
14:49:14 <weykent> well okay
14:49:15 <Kitashi> But yeah, I even made one or two changes to the live code. After waiting for yak to approve it :P
14:49:23 <weykent> lmao you actually edited prod
14:49:32 <Kitashi> When I quit staff, I literally had changes simply waiting to be approved and pushed live
14:49:40 <Kitashi> They've probably since been deleted simply because I quit
14:49:47 <catalepsy> well
14:49:50 <catalepsy> we can test that hypothesis
14:49:52 <catalepsy> what did you change?
14:50:07 <weykent> i never tried nagging piche because piche is far more loathsome
14:50:29 <Kitashi> The stuff I changed and actually got pushed live was, when you delete a submission on FA, you get taken back to the submission management page rather than getting sent to the main page (or whatever it sent you to before)
14:50:37 <Ikani> I nagged him a few times and he'd say "Ya let's get you in for ops things!" and then never do anything
14:50:55 <Kitashi> The changes that didn't go live was, you can select multiple submission from the submission management page and move them all at once to gallery or scraps
14:51:24 <Kitashi> There's another change that *might* go live simply because it was copied to the UI beta. New display of submission: click a button and choose what category of submissions show up for you on the front page
14:51:30 <weykent> hahaha
14:51:35 <Kitashi> Can be "all submissions," "photos only," "music only," etc
14:51:35 <weykent> so no version control right
14:51:49 <Kitashi> There's version control, and I used it to make my changes, but I didn't have access to actually push anything live
14:51:54 <catalepsy> oic
14:51:59 <Kitashi> And that's what I was waiting for for the few months up to quitting
14:52:44 <weykent> color me impressed
14:52:52 <weykent> it's just RCS though amirite
14:52:58 <Kitashi> svn
14:53:13 <weykent> of course
14:53:45 <Kitashi> And all I was able to use it for was revision control of my own code. Trunks were set up at some point, and the "last" thing I was waiting for was the ability to actually push to the live site from the trunk
14:54:00 <Fiz> shame some of your stuff didnt go live, even if it was smaller tweaks
14:54:33 <Kitashi> The fact that the smaller changes didn't go through is why I stopped making changes and started poking instead.
14:54:48 <Kitashi> If the small stuff takes half a year to get looked at, the system's not working, and something needs to change
14:55:08 <Fiz> ah wow
14:55:19 <Ikani> Welcome to the long list of folks who have tried and burnt out on fixing FA
14:55:23 <weykent> who actually makes code changes then
14:55:35 <Kitashi> Ikani: Hehe, it's impossible to understand until you've been there yourself
14:55:50 <Kitashi> yak and net-cat. They both have direct access to the site's live code
14:56:00 <weykent> it looks like piche occasionally jacks off into the 'beta site UI' and yak breaks scrapers sometimes
14:56:06 <weykent> net-cat actually does things??
14:56:13 <Kitashi> Yeah, net-cat's cool
14:56:18 <Ikani> maybe he's just really quiet about it
14:56:59 <Kitashi> Well, I think it would be kind of odd if he, say, made a journal every time he made a code change or something :P
14:57:20 <weykent> it's more of that FA never talks about things getting fixed
14:57:51 <Kitashi> I was trying to fix that. I even made a public google drive document showing change logs shortly after my first changes went live. And then months passed and none of my changes were going through, so I eventually deleted it
14:57:56 <Fiz> they could have like a side-site or twitter for just dev stuff
14:58:19 <Fiz> "this was changed and fixed this" even ifi ts small things