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25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [21:13:38] Sunburst on-orbit functions are working
25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [21:15:56] it did an ullage burn for "separation" in P14 and then moved to the DPS Cold Soak attitude in P15.
25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [21:16:07] Now 3 hours of coasting until the first DPS burn
25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [21:59:35] first DPS burn, Program 31, Pre-Thrust.
25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [21:59:43] orientation is good
2 [01:09:48] <indy91> [22:26:52] Thymo, getting program errors at DPS burn ignition
25 [01:09:48] <indy91> [22:27:43] Where is Mike when I need him :D
25 [01:09:48] <thewonderidiot> [01:01:41] hehehe
25 [01:09:48] <thewonderidiot> [01:01:55] hooray for a successful Sunburst launch! :D
25 [01:09:48] <thewonderidiot> [01:02:40] I generally have a little bit of time in the evenings and my bouncer logs all of the channel activity for me
25 [01:09:48] <thewonderidiot> [01:02:54] so go ahead and ask your questions and I will answer them when I have a chance
2 [01:09:48] <thewonderidiot> [01:03:05] and then I guess Thymo will have to relay the answers :P
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24 [01:10:46] <@Thymo> Lost connection on my laptop ago 5 hours ago. Everything was logged though. :(
24 [01:10:58] <@Thymo> Been flying DCS: A-10C all night.
24 [01:11:41] <@Thymo> thewonderidiot: Hey Mike!
2 [01:11:52] <thewonderidiot> heya Thymo
25 [01:11:54] <thewonderidiot> what's up?
25 [01:12:07] <thewonderidiot> also nice
25 [01:12:19] <thewonderidiot> I've done the exact same thing with the A-10C as I've done with NASSP
24 [01:12:32] <@Thymo> Not gotten of the ramp?
25 [01:12:33] <thewonderidiot> which is bring up most of the systems on the ground but never actually fly :P
24 [01:13:20] <@Thymo> Lol. We could fly together sometime on the weekends.
24 [01:13:56] <@Thymo> Have been flying Blueflag, they use a mod that makes the radios in the aircraft functional. Very immersive. :D
25 [01:14:23] <thewonderidiot> sweet!
25 [01:14:56] <thewonderidiot> back when I was flying the MiG21-Bis a lot, I had a thing set up with voice recognition so I could do most of the functions with my voice
24 [01:15:03] <@Thymo> Although I must say that at least an hour and a half was spent by me just looking through all the pages of the computer. :P
24 [01:15:26] <@Thymo> Sweet
25 [01:16:02] <thewonderidiot> I friggin love the mig21
25 [01:16:04] <thewonderidiot> so much fun
24 [01:16:24] <@Thymo> You need to land at such a high speed though.
25 [01:16:31] <thewonderidiot> and sooo simple compared to the a-10
25 [01:16:34] <thewonderidiot> yeeeahhh
24 [01:16:47] <@Thymo> It is basically a missle with little flaps attached.
25 [01:17:39] <thewonderidiot> pretty much
25 [01:17:50] <thewonderidiot> and a big red light that just means "something is wrong" :P
24 [01:18:54] <@Thymo> Hehe. The "problem" light. :D
24 [01:21:03] <@Thymo> I accepted the invite to the organization. How do I exactly go about transcribing this now?
25 [01:30:36] <thewonderidiot> so, look up the pages specified in the issue in the scan type of your choice
25 [01:31:08] <thewonderidiot> and just go through line by line and make sure what is in the listing matches exactly with what's in the file I prepopulated
25 [01:31:14] <thewonderidiot> if there are any changes, make them in the file
25 [01:31:23] <thewonderidiot> at the very least, you'll end up changing the page numbers around
25 [01:32:07] <thewonderidiot> when you're done I'll review it and let you know if any changes need to be made :)
25 [01:33:35] <thewonderidiot> any sort of meta-comments (for example, to capture something that was hand-written onto the listing) begin with ## instead of #
25 [01:36:54] <thewonderidiot> speaking of which, I need to finish THRUST MISSION CONTROL PROGRAM TJS
24 [01:38:49] <@Thymo> Do I replace the page numbers with the one corresponding to the Archive.org viewer?
24 [01:39:15] <@Thymo> Nevermind, it's listed on there too.
24 [01:39:18] <@Thymo> On the page itself.
25 [01:40:56] <thewonderidiot> yeah, on the page itself -- the archive.org viewer comes up with some pretty crazy page numbers
24 [01:42:00] <@Thymo> Where's the header with the description from? It's not at the start of the code.
25 [01:42:41] <thewonderidiot> which header?
24 [01:43:30] <@Thymo> The program description at the start of the Sunburt120 file.
24 [01:43:43] <@Thymo> s/burt/burst
2 [01:43:43] <Guenter> Thymo meant to say: The program description at the start of the Sunburst120 file.
25 [01:43:54] <thewonderidiot> s/120/37?
25 [01:44:29] <thewonderidiot> and do you mean the one that starts with ### FILE="Main.annotation"?
24 [01:45:35] <@Thymo> Below that. PROGRAM DESCRIPTION, FUNCTIONAL DESCRIPTION, CALLING SEQUENCE, NORMAL EXIT MODE-, etc.
25 [01:45:51] <thewonderidiot> oh
25 [01:46:08] <thewonderidiot> well, here's the first page of ALARM AND ABORT in Sunburst 120: http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/ScansForConversion/Sunburst120/Sunburst120-0313.jpg
25 [01:46:23] <thewonderidiot> if it's not there in Sunburst 37, then it hadn't been written yet and you should delete it
24 [01:46:37] <@Thymo> Okay.
24 [01:47:01] <@Thymo> Also should I replace Block 02 with Block 2 or is that a yaYUL specific thing?
25 [01:48:31] <thewonderidiot> make it match the Sunburst 37 listing exactly
25 [01:48:48] <thewonderidiot> there's only a couple of yaYUL specific things
25 [01:49:24] <thewonderidiot> off the top of my head... offset-style labels, like +1 or -1 that stand by themselves, are indented by one space because they're not real labels
25 [01:49:41] <thewonderidiot> and constants that have multiple multipliers, like 5 E+02 B-06
25 [01:50:06] <thewonderidiot> need to have spaces between the multipliers like what I just said -- sometimes in the source they're just run together
24 [02:00:08] <@Thymo> Done. Should I put a new line when a funtion goes to the next page or should I squeeze a page comment in between?
2 [02:07:51] <thewonderidiot> Thymo: at your discretion -- I normally base it off of the likelihood of there having been a new line there
25 [02:08:06] <thewonderidiot> like if it's in the middle of a solid block of instructions I'll just squeeze in the page comment
25 [02:08:33] <thewonderidiot> if there's a function break or something I'll always put in a newline
24 [02:08:55] <@Thymo> https://github.com/Thymo-/virtualagc/commit/681245e5210b4ea96e065585ef62ed399681e15d
25 [02:08:56] <Guenter> [ Transcribe ALARM_AND_ABORT · Thymo-/virtualagc@681245e · GitHub ] - github.com
24 [02:12:43] <@Thymo> D'oh. I branched of off my own branch and now it wants to include my own rope.
24 [02:13:07] <@Thymo> I mean. Do you want a bonus with that transcription. :p
25 [02:14:25] <thewonderidiot> hehehehe
25 [02:14:29] <thewonderidiot> maybe eventually
25 [02:14:33] <thewonderidiot> but for now rebase it :P
24 [02:15:35] <@Thymo> I'm new to rebasing. How do I do that?
24 [02:16:30] <@Thymo> Got it. It's in the man page.
24 [02:23:21] <@Thymo> thewonderidiot: PR is up.
24 [02:25:23] <@Thymo> thewonderidiot: https://github.com/virtualagc/virtualagc/pull/905
25 [02:25:24] <Guenter> [ ALARM_AND_ABORT by Thymo- · Pull Request #905 · virtualagc/virtualagc · GitHub ] - github.com
25 [02:27:13] <thewonderidiot> looking now
24 [02:28:38] <@Thymo> The diff looks a bit odd but it's fine in vim.
25 [02:30:40] <thewonderidiot> mixed tabs and spaces unfortunately
25 [02:30:43] <thewonderidiot> tabs are the devil
25 [02:30:48] <thewonderidiot> but don't worry about it
25 [02:30:58] <thewonderidiot> I left a couple of comments, but mostly looks good
24 [02:31:14] <@Thymo> Should I use spaces instead?
25 [02:31:35] <thewonderidiot> nah you're good
25 [02:31:41] <thewonderidiot> looks like the original was mostly tabs
25 [02:31:51] <thewonderidiot> the whole project has an eclectic mix
25 [02:32:35] <thewonderidiot> other than style the only real problem was you got tricked by comments that look a lot like code
25 [02:32:39] <thewonderidiot> that's bitten me several times
24 [02:34:58] <@Thymo> Yeah. I was sort of confused by OCT AAANN
24 [02:35:20] <@Thymo> Too tired to think beyond. "huh, I guess that's pretty weird" :P
25 [02:35:31] <thewonderidiot> hehehe yeah
25 [02:35:45] <thewonderidiot> sometimes they're just straight valid code that would make sense there
25 [02:35:56] <thewonderidiot> and I read riiiiight past the card type
25 [02:36:00] <thewonderidiot> because normally it doesn't matter
24 [02:37:02] <@Thymo> Alright. Changed the page comment and commented out those two lines. Anything else?
25 [02:37:20] <thewonderidiot> nope, other than that looks great
25 [02:37:22] <thewonderidiot> thanks! :D
24 [02:38:52] <@Thymo> Pushed. :)
25 [02:39:44] <thewonderidiot> aaand merged
25 [02:39:54] <thewonderidiot> and issue moved to proofing :D
24 [02:40:38] <@Thymo> Sweet!
25 [02:41:11] <thewonderidiot> thanks!
25 [02:41:18] <thewonderidiot> we're making solid progress on Sunburst 37
24 [02:41:32] <@Thymo> Could you take me through how these Github projects work sometime? A friend of mine wants to use them but I'm not entirely up to date on them myself.
25 [02:41:48] <thewonderidiot> sure
25 [02:41:55] <thewonderidiot> I'm not sure I'm using them in the standard fashion
25 [02:42:05] <thewonderidiot> but I'll be happy to talk about how I use them for virtualagc, lol
24 [02:42:10] <@Thymo> Definitely. I'm surely going to use it without the update.
24 [02:42:27] <@Thymo> Yeah, let's do that. Looks pretty straightforward from what I've seen.
24 [02:42:40] <@Thymo> I'll be on again tomorrow. Goodnight! :)
25 [02:43:15] <thewonderidiot> night!
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24 [13:32:57] <@Thymo> Hey
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25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> hey
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> I need your help
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> Alarm data:
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> R1: 2001
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> R2: 16003
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> Sunburst120
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> please help me find where that issue occurs
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> oh, and alarm code is 1103 and 316
25 [13:46:38] <@indy91> happens at ignition of the first DPS burn
24 [13:47:36] <@Thymo> Copy that
24 [13:49:21] <@Thymo> 1103 is a CCSHOLE. Something happened which never should have. 316 is FAKESTRT, I'm not yet sure what it entirely is but it is necessary for restarts I think.
25 [13:50:31] <@indy91> seems like a common thing in Sunburst
25 [13:50:50] <@indy91> I never managed to learn decoding the alarm data
25 [13:50:59] <@indy91> 2001 is an address
25 [13:51:07] <@indy91> the 16 is fixed memory bank or so
25 [13:51:23] <@indy91> but I am not really sure
24 [13:52:45] <@Thymo> R2 should be BBANK. Fixed bank 16, erasable bank 3 I think.
25 [13:53:15] <@indy91> So what I am looking for is bank 16 address 2001?
24 [13:53:44] <@Thymo> Think so.
25 [13:53:54] <@indy91> hmm
25 [13:55:05] <@indy91> I don't think that's right
25 [13:55:33] <@indy91> 16,2001 wouldn't make much sense
25 [13:57:55] <@indy91> Do all banks begin with 2000?
24 [13:58:29] <@Thymo> Yes. Below that is fixed-fixed
25 [13:59:33] <@indy91> 16,2001 would be in T6-RUPT_PROGRAMS
25 [13:59:37] <@indy91> Random EXTEND instruction
25 [13:59:50] <@indy91> No CCSHOLE anywhere there
24 [14:02:01] <@Thymo> Did you get 1103 or 316 first?
25 [14:02:49] <@indy91> same time
24 [14:03:33] <@Thymo> In what order did they show in noun 9 though?
25 [14:03:39] <@indy91> At ignition it doesn't start the engine, but shows a V05 N50 instead
25 [14:03:39] <@indy91> with Restart and Program Alarm
25 [14:03:39] <@indy91> lights
25 [14:03:39] <@indy91> N50 is N09 of later AGC versions
25 [14:03:39] <@indy91> not sure which of the alarms is in R1 and R2 though
25 [14:03:49] <@indy91> I'll check
25 [14:04:10] <@indy91> I think 1103 first, but not sure
24 [14:04:59] <@Thymo> Can you check noun 31 too?
25 [14:06:12] <@indy91> yep
25 [14:06:18] <@indy91> V15 N50
25 [14:06:22] <@indy91> 1103
25 [14:06:22] <@indy91> 316
25 [14:06:35] <@indy91> that's what it automatically shows
25 [14:06:44] <@indy91> then it blanks and goes to P00
25 [14:06:55] <@indy91> V15 N31
25 [14:07:00] <@indy91> 02001
25 [14:07:33] <@indy91> 16003
25 [14:07:35] <@indy91> 00000
24 [14:08:09] <@Thymo> That's weird. Noun 31 is ALMCADR, ALMCADR +1 and ERCOUNT.
24 [14:08:23] <@Thymo> Sunburst 120 right?
25 [14:09:11] <@indy91> yes
25 [14:09:11] <@indy91> pretty sure that is identical to Noun 8 of later versions
25 [14:09:11] <@indy91> so N50 = N09, N31 = N08
25 [14:09:25] <@indy91> Noun 8 is called ALMCADR
25 [14:10:42] <@indy91> I am pretty sure it wasn't as easy as taking the first few digits of R2 and use it as the bank
24 [14:12:20] <@Thymo> It might be. ALMCADR is not defined in ERASABLE_ASSIGNMENTS.
24 [14:12:42] <@Thymo> It just goes 1363 ALMCADR, 1365 ERCOUNT
25 [14:12:43] <@indy91> hmm
25 [14:12:43] <@indy91> the 316 alarm happens in 07,2001
25 [14:12:43] <@indy91> maybe it just points to that
25 [14:13:33] <@indy91> yeah, same thing
24 [14:13:42] <@Thymo> Yeah. I think it might be that.
25 [14:13:56] <@indy91> so, I guess we don't have any information about the 1103 alarm then
24 [14:14:16] <@Thymo> "FAKESTRT IS ENTERED FROM GOPROG WHEN A RESTART OCCURS AND THE RESTARTABILITY FLAG IS OFF."
24 [14:14:31] <@Thymo> Do you know what this restartability flag is all about?
24 [14:14:42] <@Thymo> It's not in later AGC ropes.
25 [14:15:05] <@indy91> yeah, something about that is in the padload document
24 [14:15:36] <@Thymo> Does it have a description? I can only guess what it's for currently.
24 [14:19:44] <@Thymo> The 16003 is the BBANK. And that still has the BBANK from the 1103 alarm.
24 [14:20:13] <@Thymo> That does a CA BBANK and TS ALMCADR +1
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> RSTRTWRD
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> "Mission Phase Restartability Flag Word"
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> "Each bit indicates restartability of that particular mission phas"
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> phase*
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> "(I.E. Bit No. = Mission Phase Number). If Bit is set, a specified part of that mission phase is restartable"
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> the padload document is a little bit confusing
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> it has a fresh start section
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> and then a Mission Program part which overwrites some of the fresh start addresses
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> at least I think those were overwritten with the padload for the actual mission
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> In the Apollo 5 padload I created I used both sections, whenever they clashed I used the value from the Mission Program section
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> maybe I can prevent the 316 alarm from happening
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> to get the address of the 1103
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> oh, right, it even says in the document
25 [14:21:30] <@indy91> that the Mission Program stuff can overwrite the fresh initialization load
24 [14:22:07] <@Thymo> Wifi dropped. Did you get my last messages?
25 [14:22:12] <@indy91> yes
25 [14:22:16] <@indy91> 4 messages
24 [14:22:24] <@Thymo> Yep
25 [14:22:51] <@indy91> Description for what?
24 [14:24:02] <@Thymo> For the restartability flag. You already gave it.
25 [14:24:15] <@indy91> well, not sure about the flag
25 [14:24:28] <@indy91> might be something else than the mission phase restartability word
24 [14:24:45] <@Thymo> Where is that document?
25 [14:25:36] <@indy91> https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/Prelaunch%20Erasable%20Memory%20Load%20Definition%20for%20AS206.pdf
24 [14:36:08] <@Thymo> V01N01E 1127E
24 [14:36:32] <@Thymo> Did you initialize the RSTRTWRD with the 77777 from that document?
25 [14:36:36] <@indy91> yes
25 [14:36:43] <@indy91> bad?
25 [14:37:00] <@indy91> it's still 77777 in the scenario before the burn
24 [14:39:08] <@Thymo> Can you see what it was after the alarm?
25 [14:40:39] <@indy91> I'll check
25 [14:42:24] <@indy91> didn't change
25 [14:45:06] <@indy91> something is weird with the engine, probably a bug with my control logic update
25 [14:45:15] <@indy91> But I don't think that has something to do with the alarm
25 [14:49:42] <@indy91> yeah, it's cycling engine on/off each timestep :D
25 [14:49:49] <@indy91> that doesn't seem healthy
24 [14:51:07] <@Thymo> Can you read flagword 1 for me? V01N01E 75E
25 [14:51:24] <@indy91> you know I can look at scenarios, right? :D
24 [14:51:27] <@Thymo> I was looking at the wrong restart flag.
25 [14:51:34] <@indy91> Do you want before, during or after the alarm
24 [14:51:40] <@Thymo> Before.
25 [14:51:56] <@indy91> EMEM0075 4012
24 [14:52:07] <@Thymo> Is that decimal?
25 [14:52:18] <@indy91> no
25 [14:52:20] <@indy91> octal
24 [14:52:36] <@Thymo> Okay. I wasn't sure if it was saved differently in scenarios.
24 [14:54:47] <@Thymo> Hmm. The flagword says that a normal restart is allowed. Was this already in the burn program?
25 [14:56:28] <@indy91> yes
25 [14:56:28] <@indy91> in P41
25 [14:56:28] <@indy91> let me check an earlier scenario
25 [14:56:31] <@indy91> EMEM0075 4012
25 [14:56:32] <@indy91> same in P31
25 [14:56:53] <@indy91> same before that, too
2 [16:44:40] <@indy91> Thymo, any other idea what I can do to find out more about the issue?
24 [16:50:43] <@Thymo> Most of the things that would show where the error happened has been wiped. All that can be seen is that it happened somewhere in bank 16.
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> yeah...
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> When P31 starts, it also shows a Verb 34
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> Maybe that is for a ground uplink?
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> Ground uplinks an ENTR
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> and the program stops
25 [16:52:53] <@indy91> haven't tried that yet
25 [16:56:13] <@indy91> oh, I found what the program errors were, that the actual Apollo 5 mission got
25 [16:56:24] <@indy91> 1405, DELTA V MONITOR ALARM
25 [16:56:29] <@indy91> and 315, FORGETIT
25 [16:56:30] <@indy91> lol
25 [16:58:36] <@indy91> Weren't you looking for the restartability flag?
24 [17:00:02] <@Thymo> Yes. RSTRTWRD
25 [17:00:40] <@indy91> flagword 1
25 [17:00:46] <@indy91> that was the EMEM0075 you wanted
25 [17:01:06] <@indy91> in what state is it?
25 [17:01:14] <@indy91> Flagword 1, bit 12 it seems
25 [17:01:50] <@indy91> Can I invert that bit to get a different alarm?
24 [17:04:59] <@Thymo> Yes, V25N07E 75E 12E 0E to turn off 1E to turn on.
25 [17:10:35] <@indy91> the state of the flagword is 4012
25 [17:10:35] <@indy91> so it would be 12?
25 [17:10:35] <@indy91> after inverting it
25 [17:10:35] <@indy91> N07 is not a thing in Sunburst
25 [17:12:09] <@indy91> When I try it with 12, the same thing happens
24 [17:27:13] <@Thymo> It's probably getting set back to its original. That has happened to me a couple of times.
24 [17:29:24] <@Thymo> Verb 34 is no different than in any other AGC version. Terminate current test or load request.
24 [17:30:18] <@Thymo> What program runs during your burn?
25 [17:31:04] <@indy91> P41
25 [17:31:04] <@indy91> in P30 it maneuvers to the burn attitude
25 [17:31:15] <@indy91> P31*
25 [17:31:45] <@indy91> V34 starts being displayed in P31
25 [17:32:31] <@indy91> it doesn't care if I press ENTR
25 [17:40:58] <@indy91> Could I have added a Sunburst version that still had errors?
25 [17:41:19] <@indy91> seems unlikely
25 [17:41:39] <@indy91> pretty sure I used the binary created with the octal listing
25 [17:41:54] <@indy91> when the banksums already were all correct
24 [17:53:56] <@Thymo> This one is from the source files http://vanbeers.ddns.net/share/Sunburst120.bin
25 [18:00:49] <@indy91> thanks!
25 [18:02:34] <@indy91> as expected, same result
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